(And it doesn't help for anything but a static site, like a brochure site.). Theme Design and Customization 3. In the past many of these things were kind of papered over by Drupal's simple-but-good-enough menu system, but now you have to be more formal about everything. There were 4 core updates in the past month. Was the lack of Symfony underpinnings the reason they didn't use Drupal before? And I don't blame them. I wouldn’t have a career as a developer without Drupal, but I wouldn’t recommend Drupal. I’ve been to Drupal Cons, I’ve been to Drupal meet-ups, and I’ve given presentations on Drupal topics. Yes, yes, there are a thousand other arguments against multisite... but the fact is, there are a number of organizations—usually some of the orgs with hundreds or thousands of the sites that show up in the Drupal project usage statistics—who are holding off upgrading to Drupal 8 because multisite is harder, and the future of multisite is still fuzzy. We're doing decoupled work now precisely because the deeply nested cross-wiring between data management and front-end consumption is often a tangled mess and you often have to sacrifice what you want on the front-end to get what you need out of the back, or vice-versa. WordPress is simpler to set up, and most web hosts know exactly what to do to get you started without a hitch. Drupal helps you create dynamic, content-driven websites. And debugging things on the frontend—well, I'll get to that soon. It's 2019 as I write this...I don't see the deployment complexity being significantly resolved for at least another three years. Decoupled keeps Drupal's job cleaner while still letting us leverage things it does much better than something like Wordpress (roles & permissions, elegant caching, integrations, etc). I recently asked bojanz if Commerce had any plans to "actually become an ecommerce platform" he said it was. Drupal 8 should have become a new project with a new name and Drupal per se should have stayed it's course. The frustrating thing is when a major contributor of Drupal just decides to take a different path and then all the philosophy and direction dies with that company. Drupal can be a good tool, but I want better tools. And for many of the Drupal 7 sites I've built and worked on, this is probably where the majority of the effort would need to happen. Reality check for you: MANY MANY content creators over the world are NOT developers, NEITHER webdesigner. All that makes Drupal best for large sites: if you need a lot of customization, high bandwidth, extensive guaranteed uptime, etc., then Drupal is an excellent choice. His response was that Commerce would always cater to the programmers. However, right now the increase in knowledge required to make a modern Drupal 8 site is huge. Drupal 8 upgrade evaluation is a good place to start. Fast forward a few months, development seed is no longer there, OpenAtrium sucks with Phase2. The radical alternative is to kind of stick your head in the sand like Wordpress seems to be doing (with regard to modern best practices and the PHP community), but I'm not sure if I like that solution much, either ?. No one pretends that Drupal is perfect or all-wise. They want to upgrade to D8. WP created theirs and threatened to re-do it from scratch when the FB licensing issue came out. Many multisite detractors are quick to point out that this is kind of an abomination and is architecturally impure. - Have a hosting service that allows you to connect in ssh for git transactions. Why Drupal is Good for Blogging. I'm almost $200 bucks an hour, and I'm no closer helping them achieve their goals to move to D8 than when I started.. (And, I've been developing Drupal solutions since early D5). - there is no longer a way to clone a bundle to port to another site But I think the usage pattern and value proposition for Drupal has changed.". Drupal 8 saw many improvements from the Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines (ATAG) 2.0 guidelines which support both an accessible authoring environment as well as support for authors to produce more accessible content. Drupal development is abysmally slow. The experience of managing a Drupal site is frustrating. The choice for both Drupal and Joomla is much smaller. Drupal hosting companies will make it easy to get set up, and help you run updates. 1. Good Drupal developers will be able to pick up any web project that use similar technologies, but the reverse isn’t necessarily true. This boiled down to a cost benefit / cost of ownership issue. The admin interface can be customized, but that carries additional cost, and plenty of work. Drupal (as an organization) never respected the fact how their decisions would affect the budgets of those who had heavily adopted in them before.. ... for a while, my organization tried HARD to stay with Drupal.. The rest of us don't think it's fun. Drupal is good? In reply to PS Look, this is not a by Anonymous. In any case, the new architecture has more complexity than the old; and because of this, it's almost a necessity to adopt the following: Along with all the other changes, Drupal's theme system was completely swapped out—it went from using the unholy monster that was PHPTemplate to a clean, new, standard system from Symfony, Twig. With that said, I would definitely take the bitter pill and move as quickly as possible to Drupal 8. Composer - we could argue about issues, but again comparing with D7, biggest progress made. Profiles/distributions are one way to lower the amount of time and effort required to put up a site. But it's also a tool that requires you to... I would assume these are CI machines or something similar. Still, others may now be a part of Drupal 9 core. I think WP is headed for a reckoning because of it's antiquated code base, so if we could find a way to fit Drupal back into the small-but-ambitious market, it would be a win for all of us. For backenders, there is no way back. They’ve made serious improvements to the way modules get added in Drupal 8. That is, you have one codebase, maybe even on one server, and you can run many Drupal websites (each with its own database, set of modules, unique files directory, theme, etc.). That's another big reason to push away lots of users. Drupal is not bad. All content copyright Jeff Geerling. But that still leaves us with needing senior devs, as you say, to accomplish much of anything in the theming layer. Truth be told, many of them would be best advised to migrate to Wordpress as it's less expensive to develop and maintain and provides a simpler admin experience out of the box. I am on Facebook and Linkedin. Your audience is NOT programmers! Have an unsolvable problem or audacious idea? Thanks for your reflections! I've been a fan of you (and your view on Drupal) for several years. 1. Not for developers, but for anyone who is doing something on the web. Even adding a module to the composer.json file and running `composer update` isn't enough in some cases because a build process is often required for some front end theming technologies. If, however, video is not your favourite medium, there are also many written tutorials and guides available to get you started. What about some solid proposals to ameliorate the problems? Here's my question: why would an Enterprise use D8 if the vast majority of companies using it will require a programmer? If you're a developer, love Drupal 7 and want to continue using it, take a look at BackdropCMS and help them move it forward. It's baffling that something like this keeps being ignored but says everything about why Drupal is in the dire straights it's in. After I finally got the partial hang of using Composer and Drush, I finally feel comfortable, confident and in control with Drupal 8. Reasons for Choosing Drupal: Drupal is a good choice over WordPress for projects that require a searchable database, where Views is at its best.WordPress is a better choice for SEO-focused projects because of Rank Math and other great SEO tools that exist only in the WordPress ecosystem. So... a lot of people mention that because more people build custom Node.js-based single page apps using the MEAN stack, or now do hip and trendy 'full stack development', and Drupal is some old monolith, Drupal has been left in the dust. While Drupal is nice, overall, the advantage for ease of use goes to WordPress – and it’s not even close. This is a most helpful article that should be widely shared by the Drupal Community. We can argue that a lot of new things are introduced in Drupal 8. Dries is awesome, but he's entirely too cautious as a leader. Really! On the front-end, there is very little D8 brings to the table that is better than D7 and the D8 ecosystem is nowhere near prime-time to be considered as powerful or usable as D7. Knowing Drupal, and knowing how other agencies use Drupal, are two different things. Modules are touted as time saving, and they can be. Long gone are the days of downloading a module and FTPing it to the site. Drupal 8 was a radical re-architecture of a widely-used CMS platform. And for many of the Drupal 7 sites I've built and worked on, this is probably where the majority of the effort would need to happen. Since my update procedure consists of replacing the Core and Vendor directories and running composer update, I do not see why the replacement steps cannot be put into the composer workflow. https://www.drupal.org/project/libraries. Anyway, thank you so much for your continued contribution to the Drupal community. Drupal is open source software released under the GNU Public License. According to w3techs, Drupal powers about 1.7 percent of all websites, which is good enough for second in the list of content management systems. Drupal 7 suited my needs for ambitious but smallish community and business websites, primarily because of a large stable of mature modules, an awesome way to model content and create custom content types, and of course Views. Enough complaining about the uncertainties I, like others, feel. It takes an extensive research project just to figure out how to make the simplest things work, or override anything. It's falling farther and farther behind every year. To be honest, Drupal 7 needed the overhaul that became Drupal 8. Amazing stuff can be built today using API back-ends and superior JS frameworks on client side (or some static site generators). Indeed it has been said that Drupal is the worst Content Management System except for all those other solutions that have been tried from time to time…. This fact has been beaten to death, so you can read more about that elsewhere, or see the current usage graph here and yes, not every site reports back to Drupal.org, so those numbers are not perfect... but it's the best data we have to work with. Please...), I agree with most of what I read but it is true that drupal 8 lacks more documentation and many large modules such as tbmegamenu and others could not port to drupal 8 which is a pity. Make something amazing, for anyone. Drupal's always been there, and they chose Symfony, why on earth did anyone think they'd suddenly want to use Drupal? This means it has inherent benefits--cost, flexibility, freedom, security, and accountability--that are unmatched by proprietary software. Given that the Drupal community wasn't really keeping up to date with the rest of the industry, we should expect some frustration now as people are "forced" to learn a lot and in a relatively short about of time i.e. If 7 is stable, what is the issue? At least it got the RTBC stamp last week! I'm one of the first to admit that this was probably one of the best and most necessary architecture changes in Drupal. Honestly, we could have already spent half that, and I move them to Wordpress. For sure. It's not easy to say what all the reasons are, but Composer is finicky..security updates are more hassle because of more changes..’ It will still take time, and maybe even cause a little more strife in the end, as some more old Drupalisms may need to be put to rest. The theme system was dangerous, messy, and difficult to work with on the best days. The ability to control the HTML generated by a Drupal site is one of the huge pain points. Encourage module developers to provide instructions for manually obtaining libraries. With Drupal 4, 5, 6, and 7, modules could define upgrade paths from one major version to the next through Drupal's normal update.php mechanism, and while the entire update mechanism was a very Drupal-centric oddity, it worked. Constantly chasing the latest trendy "thing" in development is a huge waste of time (particularly in such a lumbering, slow-moving development project). It is not possible to keep all happy, small, medium and big consumers of Drupal. Until Core is updated automatically via "composer update" it takes many wasted hours to update sites, especially when plugins and the core itself have bugs that give the unhelpful "website has encountered a problem" message. Too much dogma from the top. annotations are PHP things (which, they took from Java and C#). If you remove Git, Composer, Drupal console, Drush, what you get then? The deliberation process takes forever, and often doesn't produce any particularly great solution anyway. Drupal 7 was too nerdish. I'm using one currently for a project and there is no way I would have the budget to put in the customization the profile gives me. Drupal needs to either bake composer into core, or fork it to specifically work with core. To elaborate: Drupal 7 felt somewhat similar to Wordpress in it's technology and value proposition. However, the site you're reading right now (assuming I haven't yet upgraded it to something else) is actually a multisite—I run six different Drupal 7 sites off one codebase, and there's no way I could've justified building each of these sites in Drupal at all if I wasn't able to build one build pipeline, one production server, and one development workflow that literally does all six sites. Cui bono? For me, it was well worth the challenge. I hate Wordpress. It goes about websites with a sophisticated organization of data, like corporate resources and online shops. Here are seven heresies which could lead to Drupal nirvana, if anyone dares whisper them: With the help of some extensions, you can create stunning multimedia content that … Instead it's driving them away. Ouch. It is doing some good and plenty harm. Many of these were caused because modules were put into Core (like Views), and when they had a security issue, Core had to be updated. On the subject of comparing Drupal 7 and Drupal 8: "But one thing that has always been annoying, and now is probably to the state of alarming, for some, is the fact that Drupal 8 adoption has still not hit a level of growth which will put it ahead of Drupal 7 adoption any time soon. Thanks to composer, OOP, slow performance and many other stupidities. There are two other things that Drupal needs to focus on: 1) Clean up the admin interface. Loved the structured way the CMS was build. Reported in February 2011, first patch came on the same day, still not fixed, #1679344 Race condition in node_save() when not using DB for cache_field You can find plenty of arguments out there about how terrible Drupal is — that’s easy — but it’s not true. 3. Drupal. Create a tool--not sure how--so that var_dump() and similar simple debugging works at least as reliably as it does in D7 anywhere in code. I write this in Jan of 2020 and STILL most of the components we used successfully in D7 don't even have a D8 version. New API architecture often required full module rewrites. These things being involved in the bigger maintenance equation should be trivial point-and-click operations, or better yet, be completely transparent to the entire set of processes involving how Drupal is used or maintained, and yet, despite being in a technologically advanced society where we can make cars drive themselves, allow refrigerators to access the internet, or make little speakers order us pizza from our favorite restaurants by speaking to it, we're consigning to this idea that the only way to use something like Drupal Commerce (or other Drupal modules) is only by issuing commands at a command line!? - Understand a whole lot of concepts with very unintuitive vocabulary if you want it to be any useful With some of the worst things they need to get away from "but it's always been that way!" I never took a comp sci class in my life) chose to expand their knowledge and grow with Drupal 8's new architecture. Some Drupal 7 contributed modules have Drupal 8 and Drupal 9 versions available, while others no longer apply in a world with different programming paradigms. I switched to Larvel and don't regret it. In general, the Drupal admin interface and module ecosystem is something a reasonably dedicated web producer can fully figure out without any real development knowledge, and isn't necessarily much worse than other enterprise CMSs. Every language or system has its quirks but Drupal is defined by them. I have a few D7 clients left. Debugging—for those not used to a full-fledged debugger—is also a lot different. We want to deliver the ideal solution, and we obsess over quality. My sites I always build with Joomla. What a joke! I haven’t found a reason to use Drupal since. Thoughts about Drupal 8, Drupal 7, Backdrop, the Drupal Community, DrupalCon's meteoric price increases, DrupalCamps, and the future of the framework/CMS/enterprise experience engine that is Drupal have been bubbling up in the back of my mind for, well, years now. There are great developers who contribute to Drupal, but there are many more site builders who do not contribute any code. I don't give a fuck what Node developers are doing, if I did I'd be using Node, not Drupal. I admit that I am guilty of running two Drupal 7 sites with a very large amount of custom code. At the end of your post you mention Wordpress again in terms of "sticking it's head in the sand" with regards to modern best practices. Drupal 7 had it all but. 5. Those 2 things alone will usher in the buy-in we enjoyed back in Drupal 7. In Drupal core specifically, we have been making good strides incorporating accessibility best practices into the UX and markup, but there is a lot we can still do! I summarize it all in couple of words: DRUPAL 8 IS BULLSHIT. #Content Management. Especially since until Drupal 8, it was not even really possible (except if you were willing to do some really wacky stuff) to manage a Drupal codebase using Composer. Most importantly, there are hardly any free themes that look good. Someone needs to start a blog of all the "common" modules or features of common modules which have been lost in the move to D8. No complaints there? The traditional update.php process was abandoned for major version upgrades (see: Use an IDE like PHPStorm, or lots of plugins with other editors, to be able to code efficiently across sometimes multiple files. But it's also effectively given up on competing for that small biz / brochure-ware / blogger website market in favour of gearing towards the requirements of larger and more complex websites. You dont need to convince me about digital identity. But it's another whole group of concepts to grasp, it's another tool that needs to be installed (or at least installable) on your host, and it's even more "technical" than Git because of the required formalism. In addition to the revamped architecture, new required build processes, and upgrade difficulties, almost every Drupal site has to completely rewrite its theme. So Drupal now scans your code looking for @block(...). Make composer optional everywhere. But the slow adoption of D7 plugins to D8 (which were practically nil) well, honestly, they just decided to go with a cheaper solution - Wordpress.. A good digital experience goes beyond the appearance and has become a market differentiator in this competitive world. Jeff, What used to take 1.5 seconds to install or update with Drush, takes 30 to 120 seconds with composer. Personally, I've never really run into a major dependency conflicts so I would have really liked to see more development happen with the Libraries API, which is still in -alpha1. We’re talking in the range of hundreds compared to thousands for WordPress. The dollar cost alone from running 1 Drupal production server to 6 prevents me from even considering it (most of these sites are maintained by me gratis). GIT in 2019 should not be a problem. In recent years, with the help of Digital experience platforms (DXP), global companies are focusing on creating a better digital experience that effectively … Jeff, thank you for taking the time to write this blog post! A kind, funny, inclusive, and determined community will attract tons of people of all skill levels. I believe we could hide some of the complexity and have a Drupal 8 that still works for the likes of me. Nobody likes popups, so we waited until now to recommend our newsletter, a curated periodical featuring thoughts, opinions, and tools for building a better digital world. 2) Composer. I don’t want to dismiss Drupal outright. Who do you think wins? He works in our Falls Church, VA, HQ. Reinstate drush pm-disable and drush pm-enable by automatically exporting and importing just the relevant config for a given module or theme. And composer nightmare.. hours spent every month trying to clean up composer messes. Since our clients mostly fit in the small business category, we have struggled to push our project budgets high enough to be profitable on Drupal 8 projects, as we were on Drupal 7 projects. I don’t want to dismiss Drupal outright. All the best. ), at least at first glance. Symfony has a similar issue. 5. In reply to It is not possible to keep by Valentino Medimorec. It’s arguably the most secure of the big three open source CMSs (Drupal, WordPress & Joomla!) But let me say this. 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